In my last game we decided long spear negating mounted impetus bonus did not apply if they were hit in the flank or rear. At the time I couldn't readily find the relevant rule.
Subsequently I did a search in Edge which invoked Bing and provided the following:
The search results didn't help, but the AI response, seemed definitive. It just didn't give a reference.
I asked the same question in Google and got unhelpful results.
However, having now read the rules carefully I still couldn't find it. So, ignoring the search results I went to the forum.
Putting aside any issues with how I constructed the question, what impresses me is how AI got it wrong while sounding so authoritative. Rather annoying me thinks.
I am so glad that Phil confirmed my reading, and that site administrator/rule's author(s) provided a truly definitive response.
While I am reluctant to disagree with the author of the rules, the forum answer does not make much sense. I agree with AI! If the official ruling is correct, should the attacker not also lose the “attacking in flank/rear bonus since “it is assumed that enough long spear can turn” to face?
ReplyDeleteValid point, the unit/base represents a mass of men, only a few have turned to face. They don't get the depth bonus and if they lose the fight the whole unit routs. So, kind of balanced out. I note that this is just the Basic Impetus rule set.
DeleteI have seen a couple of other posts regarding AI where a similarly well written definitive answer is shown as completely wrong.
ReplyDeleteYou don't know what the AI has been trained on or looked at when researching its answer. In your case it may have read your blog where you did not give the Long Spear advantage and used that as its source. 😂
I don't think you can trust AI yet not to provide well written nonsense.
I expect that AI has access to my blog, but not the forum. As I have the rules in PDF I was able to do a search when I got home which helped confirm my suspicions, but that was after I did the search and got the AI answer. If AI was right, I should be able to find it in the rules. I couldn't so then I thought maybe it was a clarification via the forum.
DeleteHi really enjoying your blog and found my way here from the Impetus Forum link. Yes we got definitive answer as Lorenzo posted. I think makes sense as enough troops facing have the long spear to stop the Impetus benefit and lots of other penalties for being hit in flank.
ReplyDeleteThanks. I'm glad you found it.
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